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Saturday, December 23, 2006

On the Ohio smoking ban

Ohio recently passed a ban on smoking inside public places statewide. Bars, restaurants, bowling alleys... no smoking, please. You can still smoke in your own home, your own car, and outdoors.

[20:35] Chris C:
the smoking ban, for instance. that was completely unconstitutional
[20:36] Bill: I'm not a fan of your cancer sticks, so I'll leave that issue aside.
[20:36] Chris C: i'm not a fan of car exhaust. i'm not a fan of the chemical plant right down the road from me.
[20:37] Bill: me either.
[20:38] Chris C: they're also telling owners how to run their businesses.
[20:41] Bill: i don't think i could ever be convinced of a connection between civil rights and smoking in enclosed public spaces.
[20:41] Chris C: well, you're not a smoker. but a fraction of the population chooses to be
[20:42] Chris C: and a fraction of businesses in the united states chooses to have a smoking section to accommodate those who do smoke
[20:57] Bill: The problem here is that people are having trouble visualizing the harm because it isn't immediate. We're all about blood and gore. There is insurmountable evidence of the danger of second hand smoke, and how sitting in a bar is like smoking x number of cigarettes / packs. About how often non-smoking family members get lung cancer *before* the smokers.
[20:58] Bill: It's like drunk driving. No one is against banning that. The harm is clear and immediate. You are allowed to drink. You are not allowed to drink and drive, because you will eventually hurt other people.
[20:58] Bill: And individual businesses don't have the right to permit it.
[20:58] Bill: Kroger cant be like, "Hell, you're allowed to drink and drive in our parking lot."
[20:58] Bill: "It's our god damned parking lot."
[20:58] Bill: "And we want to cater to those who have an activity they like to do that will harm other people."
[20:58] Chris C: hahaha
[20:59] Bill: "Go shop somewhere that doesn't let you drive drunk in the lot. Screw you!"
[20:59] Chris C: the population has to die off somehow.

Kroger is badass like that.

But seriously, what do you think about it?

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